In an episode of the Prayerful Posse, veteran Catholic commentator Raymond Arroyo, with canon lawyer Father Gerald Murray and author-journalist Robert Royal, turned their attention to remarks by Pope Leo XIV on Jesus’ rejection of war.

“Jesus is the King of Peace who rejects war, whom no one can use to justify war. He does not listen to the prayers of those who wage war but rejects them. Drawing from Isaiah, ‘Even though you make many prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are full of blood.’” – Pope Leo XIV

What follows is a transcript excerpt of their discussion, where they analyze the Pope’s words in light of Catholic teaching on peace and the just war doctrine.

The Prayerful Posse on Jesus’ rejection of war

Raymond Arroyo: Father, the Pope seems to be directing this at Trump and Netanyahu, I think. But where does just war doctrine come in here? And is the Holy Father making a distinction that tradition supports? Is God a pacifist?”

Father Murray: “Well, no, Christianity does not teach pacifism as the only moral approach to a conflict between nations and peoples. Now, the pope is correct if he’s talking about illegitimate offensive wars, meaning wars of conquest, you know, wars of domination or extermination. That’s precisely what Putin launched on Ukraine. We can’t forget that the Ukrainians are doing nothing immoral when they fight back. And it’s not wrong to sell them arms. When people hear those who wage war, God doesn’t hear their prayers. Well, God is not favoring those who try to kill as in Ukraine as the Hamas, Hezbollah. The Iranians launched a lot of missiles at the Israelis during those conflicts and the Israelis finally said enough. So, just war teaching remains appropriate precisely because let’s say the Italian government turned hostile and tried to invade Vatican City, well, I hope we’d send in the Marines to defend the holy places and rescue the Pope. People cannot tolerate any kind of notion that warfare is bad. Some warfare is necessary to stop illegitimate warfare by the enemy.”

Raymond Arroyo: “Bob… You want to add anything?”

Robert Royal: “I would just say that look, we’re all uncertain about where things are going in Iran right now and and so it’s understandable that he has a certain hesitation about whether this war is working out or not. But Father Murray is exactly right. We believe in the just use of force. An analogy that’s often made is if a policeman stops a lunatic or somebody who’s trying to murder another person by using deadly force. Of course that’s moral and of course there can be moral wars that are waged. War is not like a police force that has very precise rules about when you can use force. The very nature of war, the fog of war, it’s harder to keep a lid on it but sometimes it’s necessary and as much as I have my own doubts about what we’ve been doing, those nuclear weapons that Iran was trying to develop, it’s simply the case that the world cannot allow that. And I think that we have to have a realistic appraisal of that in the Vatican.”

Does the Magisterium Support Jesus’ rejection of war

Their views expressed on the morality of war are firmly grounded in Magisterial teaching, particularly as outlined in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Catechism 2304: “Respect for and development of human life require peace. Peace is not merely the absence of war, and it is not limited to maintaining a balance of powers between adversaries.”

Catechism 2308: “All citizens and all governments are obliged to work for the avoidance of war. However, “as long as the danger of war persists and there is no international authority with the necessary competence and power, governments cannot be denied the right of lawful self-defense, once all peace efforts have failed.”

Catehism 2309: “The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. the gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time: – the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain; – all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective; – there must be serious prospects of success; – the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. the power of modem means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition. These are the traditional elements enumerated in what is called the “just war” doctrine. The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good.”

Catechism 2317: “Insofar as men are sinners, the threat of war hangs over them and will so continue until Christ comes again.”

So, the Catechism does not support Jesus’ rejection of war (full rejection). It does emphasize that war is not inherently just but can, under specific conditions, be morally permissible. It specifies that legitimate defense of the nation is a grave duty and that a just war must meet strict criteria: there must be a truly serious threat, the response must be proportional, all other means of resolving the conflict must have been exhausted, and the damage inflicted must avoid excessive harm to civilians.

These principles underscore that the Church does not glorify violence but recognizes that, in certain circumstances, engaging in war may be a necessary act of justice to protect the innocent and preserve the common good. Such guidance ensures that any consideration of armed conflict is measured, ethical, and consistent with Catholic moral teaching.

Check out these most recent books authored by the trio on Amazon.

  1. Calming the Storm: Navigating the Crises Facing the Catholic Church and Society (2022) by Fr. Gerald E. Murray & Diane Montagna at https://amzn.to/3OuqTOR
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8 responses to “On Pope Leo XIV’s Ambiguous Statement on Jesus’ rejection of war”

  1. Barbara Staudt Avatar
    Barbara Staudt

    Thank you for this much needed clarification!

  2. Michele Rourke Avatar
    Michele Rourke

    In light of this clarification perhaps the Holy Father should refrain from making such controversial comments in the future. This is exactly the kind of thing that causes division within and outside of the Church.

    1. Carol Boehm Avatar
      Carol Boehm

      Exactly! I know Taylor Marshall made a comment that he thinks Trump is being influenced by Satan. I say Pope Leo is the one who is being influenced, after all, it is documented that Satan is in the Vatican. Trump was right to go into Iran – he was killing thousands of innocent people just for having a voice, Iran was close to a nuclear weapon and planning on using it to take out the U.S.A. and all the democrats said before Trump took office that Iran needed to be stopped. Trump was the only one with the guts to do it. Had it been Obama or Biden who bombed them, they would have been cheering. They hate Trump so much that they would rather see the destruction of our country then point the finger that Trump was to blame. This man can’t do anything right in their eyes.

  3. Carol Ann Allen Avatar
    Carol Ann Allen

    I think this trio needs to stop constantly criticizing the Pope, the Vicar of Christ. I was so offended especially their constant criticism of Pope Francis I stopped watching EWTN.

    1. Jonel Esto Avatar

      In 2023, Pope Francis himself said, “I prefer them (criticisms), because it means there is freedom of speech.” The Papal Posse exemplifies this kind of charitable criticism of the Pope. Millions of Catholics rely on their wisdom and balanced perspective, and because it is balanced, those on either extreme may find their criticism offensive.

    2. Carol Boehm Avatar

      They had a right to rebuke Pope Francis – Pope John Paul II was the last legitimate pope. Francis was never my pope! He was elevating Bishops to Cardinals who were strong advocates of the LGBTQ movement and saying Biden was a good Catholic. Want to talk about spreading Division. Francis was a heratic.

  4. Andrea Hunt Avatar
    Andrea Hunt

    Thank you for this common sense explanation. Sadly there has been war and defense since the beginning of time . The fight of good and evil is part of the human condition . I believe that God knows this and our Lord Jesus Christ will be the final judgement . The Bible is filled with suffering , defense and the promise of heavens peace . God hears our prayers of hope and cries for strength and help and peace but always holds the truth of the faith in Christ as the forgiveness and saving grace we need to live through our human condition here on Earth . Our soldiers march on with the love of Christ strengthening them . No soldier or sailor that I have ever known likes war , but they carry the cross with them when called to duty of protection and serving us as defense . May God lead their charge and have mercy on them all and hear their prayers daily! One of my favorite hymns is “ Eternal Father Strong to Save “ He of course understands the need and mission of our troops ! Bless them

  5. Sue Avatar
    Sue

    I find it very sad that the Pope, Cardinals, Bishops, and priests say very little if nothing about savings souls…by teaching from the pulpit the moral teachings about people living together before marriage, abortion, the lack of reverence in receiving the holy Eucharist, and about Our Lady of Fatima. Yet they get involved politically and then tell us what the Roman Catholic Church teaches. No wonder there is confusion. The human element of the church has done a fabulous job causing unnecessary pain, souls not practicing, and lack of REVERENCE at church!

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